Yelling at Clouds (Season 9 Episode 352)

“When you have a minimum standard, you don’t teach people past the standard, you invariably teach down to the standard.” – Caleb Giddings  

Ballistic Radio welcomes back Caleb Giddings to talk about how minimum training standards impact both the student and the instructor. Listen to the dismay when John and Caleb discover they have become angry old men yelling at clouds as they discuss the flaws and negative outcomes inherent in minimum standards, whether it’s for pumpkin spice lattes or shooting courses. Ballistic Radio is brought to you by Big Tex Ordnance, where every customer is a friend, not just an order. Visit them online at

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